Interview: A Conversation with Claudia Wool in English and Spanish
About the creative nourishment of a journalist and textile creator's nomadic family lifestyle
Welcome to Create Me Free where I share all of my deep research into and musings about the complex relationship between art and mental health. While I touch on art as therapy and the benefits of creativity, I really dig into the ways that our mental health symptoms can impact our creative process, content, productivity, medium choice, identity and business.
Claudia of Claudia Wool is a Chilean textile creator and bilingual journalist who has been sharing her story about living and traveling in a motorhome with her family. She has an inspiring perspective on the benefits of art that I’m excited to share with you in this bilingual interview (scroll down for the Spanish version.)
Visit her on Substack, her website, and her Instagram.
Meet Claudia:
Let’s start with something she shares on her Substack’s About Page:
"My nomadic life satisfies all my creative and spiritual needs. I work mainly with Magallanes sheep wool, I observe the landscape, colors, textures, atmospheres. Then I paint, write and weave on my loom."
“Mi vida nómada satisface todas mis necesidades creativas y espirituales. Trabajo principalmente con lana de oveja de Magallanes, observo el paisaje, colores, texturas, atmósferas. Luego pinto, escribo y tejo en mi telar.”
That immediately drew me in and we started a conversation (available in Spanish after the English version) …
What is the story of how and why you came to live in the motorhome? How has that experience been so far?
Until December 2022, my family and I (husband + 2 children aged 12 and 18) lived quietly on a beautiful plot of land on the outskirts of the city of Punta Arenas, in Chilean Patagonia. I had a beautiful studio with all of my art materials, my looms and my wool. I had a beautiful view of the Strait of Magellan and the countryside. We had work, good friends, a pleasant life. But my husband and I wanted something more out of life and began to think about taking a motorhome trip to South America when the pandemic was over. But one day in 2021, our eldest son was selected to study film in spain. So my husband and I looked at each other and said "we're all going to Europe".
And so it was that all our energies were focused for a year on making our dream of living in a motorhome in Europe come true. In Chile, we sold most of our stuff and rented out our house. We flew to Spain to organize everything necessary to leave our son there and bought the motorhome. In less than a year we have been in Spain, France, England, Wales, Scotland and now we are in Northern Ireland.
The transition has not been easy. We abruptly left our comfort zone and converted to minimalism. We went from living in a 300 square meter house to sharing a 14 square meter space between 3 people. But living the life you want to live is priceless. We are happy.
What have been the most challenging parts of this new lifestyle?
In family terms we have had to adapt to living together 24 hours a day, maintaining and respecting each other's spaces without “invading” each other. Of course we miss our friends and family, and we communicate frequently with them. But it was difficult for us to convey what we were experiencing, so we decided to record our trip in a series format on YouTube, and thus be able to share our adventures with our loved ones.
In creative terms, the limitation of space has meant having a reduced volume and variety of materials and tools to work with. I have also had to reorganize and reduce my workshop work schedules because many times I depend on a table, and we only have one table, which is obviously highly in demand. However, these limitations are largely compensated by the stimuli that positively impact my creativity and that have me writing a book, preparing my textile exhibition in November of this year, writing my blog, painting and editing the YouTube series.
Congrats to your son on studying film. Would you describe your whole family as artists?
I would say that I transmitted to my children a certain artistic sensitivity that makes me proud. My oldest son is also a photographer and embroiders very well. My 12 year old son has been playing piano since he was 5 years old and he just composed a beautiful melody. I trust that art provides you with a wise perspective from which you can confront the challenges you will face throughout your adult life.
That is such a beautiful way of looking at it. I believe that we are all creative and we thrive when that’s encouraged in our lives. Have you discussed mental health / wellness in your family as your children have grown?
Improving the health of each one of us, as well as the family dynamics, was decisive in the decision to leave our comfort zone and start a nomadic life.
On the other hand, I believe that in raising children, the validation of individuals in all their dimensions is a fundamental aspect in the construction of their personality and, therefore, a determining factor in the physical and mental health of these little people who later they will be adults and will have to make decisions that will impact their own health and well-being.
We believe that art is a fundamental tool, and that is why we have immersed both children in artistic activities from an early age and, fortunately, that sensitivity has been awakened in both of them. Bastián (the eldest) through film and photography, and Gaspar (the youngest) through music and cooking.
What would you like to share about your creative journey? What does making art mean for you?
In creative terms, this journey has been a parallel journey. I have visited a lot of museums and art galleries and have met several artists whose work has amazed me. Not just in terms of style but also the way that others run their own creative businesses. I am fascinated by learning. I feel like a child with an infinite capacity for wonder. I've been painting a lot in my sketchbook and weaving on my loom, and also knitting socks for the cold Scottish days.
For me, making art is as natural and liberating as satisfying any other basic need, such as sleeping, eating or going to the toilet. If I don't knit, write or paint, then I get sick. That is why it is difficult to make the creation of a work compatible with the needs and preferences of the customer. I don't make art to be bought, although it would be great if it did. I make art because it is what my being needs to do to continue to exist.
I have also experienced that not making art leads to sickness for me. Can you share more about what that feels like/ means for you personally?
Despite being a journalist and social communicator, it is very difficult for me to put my most intimate feelings or thoughts into words. I can’t always express my opinion or talk about any topic in the way that I want. So, expressing myself through creative activities like writing, knitting, or painting are the outlets that keep me sane.
Have there ever been times when art harmed or hindered you instead of helping you?
Art has never harmed or hindered me, quite the contrary.
How would you describe your experience of mental health and wellness? What role does art play in that experience?
My 46th birthday is coming up and my husband asked me what I would like for my birthday, in case he needed to order it in time. And I was very surprised. Because he had completely forgotten about my birthday. And I thought that nowadays my days are so perfect, I feel so happy, at peace, so blessed, that I no longer need a birthday. I mean, I don't need anyone to do anything for me to have a special day. This trip and this change to a nomadic life has renewed me. I feel like a tremendously successful person because I rule my life; every day I decide how I want my day to be, and what's more, I'm with my family. My mental health and well-being have never been better.
Art is my co-pilot, my inseparable companion. The architecture, the perfection of nature, the colors, the textures, the smells, everything I have experienced during this trip feeds my creativity.
It’s really beautiful that you’ve come to this place where you feel like every day is a birthday in a way, a celebration of living.
One of the things I’ve been thinking about a lot lately is how even when I’m not actively creating (writing, crocheting, etc.), I’m still experiencing creativity by experiencing the art of others, the senses of daily life as you’ve described, reading or visiting museums or watching films and how this is really also a part of the creative process.
Any thoughts on that?
One of the most important lessons of my adult life was triggered by my watercolor teacher at the Pontifical Catholic University of Chile, Alejandra Bendel. She managed to get me out of the absurd dichotomy that dominates our Western culture where the good and the bad, the beautiful and the ugly, the right and the wrong, turn everything she touches into a cold rock. That must have taken me about 2 years and I can't explain how light I felt when I managed to get rid of that heavy backpack. It was like looking at the world through other lenses, or even without them! At the same time I began to consciously look for inspiration in the world around me rather than in the artists I admired. There was a huge change in the way I did my art and especially in the way I perceived myself. Removing the word "mistake" from my dictionary was an expansive bomb for my creativity.
You recently made a change to your Substack, offering your studio practice for paying subscribers and your travel content for free. It seems like a great decision and you’ve described it really well here. I wondered if you had anything to add about the creative process you went through of coming to that decision?
When I started substack, I intended to write about my experience as a traveling artist. How I organized my work, the artists I knew, the exhibitions I visited, the landscapes that inspired me, etc. But I soon realized that many people who read me and watched my travel series on YouTube were not artists nor were they interested in art. Even so, they were part of my community and I wanted to continue providing them with content about vanlife.
On the other hand, my creative practice is approachable from so many angles that it could well sustain a weekly publication for those who were really interested in it and wanted to learn and work on their own creative practice. I decided to do it with a paid subscription because I approach it with the seriousness and dedication that any job deserves.
Furthermore, from my experience as a creative business entrepreneur, I want to be a relevant contribution to all those people who are starting out or have been trying to make a living from their art for some time with little success.
Is there anything else that you would like to make sure that people know about you, your travels, or your art?
I am currently writing my first book. It is curious that it is the first, considering that I have been writing consciously since I was 12 or 14 years old. I hope to have the first draft in December and be able to publish it by the middle of next year. It is the revised version of my travel diary that I write by hand regularly. A journey that is both territorial and creative and spiritual. I believe my story can inspire someone to fight for their dreams and live a better life.
Scroll down for the whole interview in Spanish.
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INTERVIEW IN SPANISH
¿Cuál es la historia de cómo y por qué llegaste a vivir en la autocaravana? ¿Cómo ha sido esa experiencia hasta ahora?
Hasta diciembre de 2022, mi familia y yo (marido + 2 hijos de 12 y 18 años) vivíamos tranquilamente en una bella parcela en las afueras de la ciudad de Punta Arenas, en la patagonia chilena. Yo tenía un estudio precioso con todos mis materiales de arte, mis telares y mis lanas. Tenía una bella vista al Estrecho de Magallanes y al campo. Teníamos trabajo, buenos amigos, una vida placentera. Pero mi marido y yo deseábamos algo más de la vida y comenzamos a pensar en hacer un viaje en motorhome por América del sur cuando terminara la pandemia. Pero un día de 2021, nuestro hijo mayor fue seleccionado para estudiar cine en España. Entonces con mi marido nos miramos y dijimos “nos vamos todos a Europa”.
Y así fue como todas nuestras energías se concentraron durante un año en hacer realidad nuestro sueño de vivir viajando en un motorhome en Europa. En Chile vendimos la mayor parte de nuestras cosas y arrendamos nuestra casa. Volamos a España a organizar todo para dejar allí a nuestro hijo y nos compramos el motorhome. En estos siete meses hemos estado en España, Francia, Inglaterra, Gales, Escocia y ahora estamos en Irlanda del norte.
La transición no ha sido sencilla. Bruscamente abandonamos nuestra zona de confort y nos convertimos al minimalismo. Pasamos de vivir en una casa de 300 metros cuadrados a compartir un espacio de 14 metros cuadrados entre 3 personas. Pero vivir la vida que quieres vivir no tiene precio. Estamos felices.
¿Cuáles han sido las partes más desafiantes de este nuevo estilo de vida?
En términos familiares hemos debido adaptarnos a convivir juntos las 24 horas del día, mantener y respetar los espacios de cada uno sin “invadirnos”. Por supuesto que extrañamos a nuestros amigos y familiares, y nos comunicamos frecuentemente con ellos. Pero se nos hacía difícil transmitirles lo que estábamos viviendo, así es que decidimos registrar nuestro viaje en formato de serie en YouTube, y así poder compartir nuestras aventuras con nuestros seres queridos.
En términos creativos, la limitación del espacio ha significado disponer de un volumen y variedad reducida de materiales y herramientas para trabajar. También he tenido que reorganizar y reducir mis horarios de trabajo de taller pues muchas veces dependo de una mesa, y solamente tenemos una mesa, la que evidentemente es sumamente demandada. Sin embargo, estas limitaciones se compensan ampliamente con los estímulos que impactan positivamente mi creatividad y que me tienen escribiendo un libro, preparando mi exposición textil en noviembre de este año, escribiendo mi blog, pintando y editando la serie de YouTube.
Felicitaciones a su hijo por estudiar cine. ¿Describirías a toda tu familia como artistas?
Diría que les transmití a mis hijos cierta sensibilidad artística que me enorgullece. Mi hijo mayor también es fotógrafo y borda muy bien. Mi hijo de 12 años toca piano desde los 5 años y acaba de componer una hermosa melodía. Confío en que el arte les brinde una sabia perspectiva desde la cual puedan enfrentar los desafíos a los que se enfrentarán durante su vida adulta.
¿Ha hablado de salud/bienestar mental en su familia a medida que sus hijos crecieron?
Mejorar la salud de cada uno de nosotros, así como de la dinámica familiar, fue determinante en la decisión de abandonar nuestra zona de confort e iniciar una vida nómade.
Por otra parte, creo que en la crianza de los hijos, la validación de los individuos en todas sus dimensiones es un aspecto fundamental en la construcción de su personalidad y, por lo tanto, determinante en la salud física y mental de estas personitas que luego serán adultos y deberán tomar decisiones que impactarán en su propia salud y bienestar.
Creemos que el arte es una herramienta fundamental, y por eso a ambos hijos los hemos sumergido en actividades artísticas desde pequeños y, afortunadamente, en ambos se ha despertado esa sensibilidad. Bastián (el mayor) a través del cine y la fotografía, y Gaspar (el menor) a través de la música y la cocina.
¿Qué te gustaría compartir sobre tu viaje creativo? ¿Qué significa para ti hacer arte?
En términos creativos este viaje ha sido un viaje paralelo. He visitado un montón de museos y galerías de arte y he conocido varios artistas cuyo trabajo me ha asombrado. No solo en términos de estilo sino también la forma en que dirigen sus propios negocios creativos. Estoy fascinada aprendiendo. Me siento una niña con una capacidad de asombro infinita. He estado pintando bastante en mi sketchbook y tejiendo en mi telar, y también tejiendo calcetines para los fríos días escoceses.
Para mi hacer arte es tan natural y liberador como satisfacer cualquier otra necesidad básica, como dormir, comer o ir al baño. Si no tejo, escribo o pinto me enfermo. Por eso es difícil compatibilizar la creación de una obra con las necesidades y preferencias del mercado. No hago arte para que me lo compren, aunque estaría genial que lo hicieran. Hago arte porque es lo que mi ser necesita hacer para continuar existiendo.
También he experimentado que no hacer arte me provoca enfermedad. ¿Puedes compartir más sobre cómo se siente o significa eso para ti personalmente?
A pesar de ser periodista y comunicadora social, me cuesta muchísimo traducir a palabras mis sentimientos o pensamientos más íntimos. Lo que contrasta con mi facilidad para emitir mi opinión o conversar sobre cualquier tema. Entonces, expresarme a través de actividades creativas como la escritura, el tejido o la pintura son las válvulas de escape que me mantienen cuerda.
¿Alguna vez ha habido ocasiones en las que el arte te perjudicó o te obstaculizó en lugar de ayudarte?
El arte jamás me ha perjudicado ni obstaculizado, sino todo lo contrario.
¿Cómo describiría su experiencia de salud mental y bienestar? ¿Qué papel juega el arte en esa experiencia?
Se acerca mi cumpleaños número 46 y mi marido me preguntó que me gustaría para mi cumpleaños, por si necesitaba encargarlo con tiempo. Y me sorprendió muchísimo. Porque había olvidado por completo mi cumpleaños. Y pensé que actualmente mis días son tan perfectos, me siento tan feliz, en paz, tan bendecida, que ya no necesito un cumpleanos. Es decir, no necesito que nadie haga nada para que yo tenga un día especial. Este viaje y este cambio a la vida nómada me ha renovado. Me siento una persona tremendamente exitosa porque gobierno mi vida, todos los días decido como quiero que sea mi día, y más encima estoy con mi familia. Mi salud mental y bienestar nunca había sido mejor.
El arte es mi copiloto, mi compañero inseparable. La arquitectura, la perfección de la naturaleza, los colores, las texturas, los olores, todo lo que he experimentado durante este viaje alimenta mi creatividad.
Es realmente hermoso que hayas venido a este lugar donde sientes que cada día es de alguna manera un cumpleaños, una celebración de la vida. Una de las cosas en las que he estado pensando mucho últimamente es en cómo incluso cuando no estoy creando activamente (escribiendo, tejiendo, etc.), sigo experimentando la creatividad al experimentar el arte de los demás, los sentidos de la vida diaria. como has descrito, leer o visitar museos o ver películas y cómo esto también es parte del proceso creativo. ¿Alguna idea sobre eso?
Una de las lecciones más importantes de mi vida adulta fue gatillada por mi maestra de acuarela en la Pontificia Universidad Católica de Chile, Alejandra Bendel. Ella logró sacarme de la dicotomía absurda que domina nuestra cultura occidental donde lo bueno y lo malo, lo bello y lo feo, el acierto y el error, convierten en una fría roca cada cosa que toca. Eso debe haberme tomado unos 2 años y no puedo explicar lo liviana que me sentí cuando logré desembarazarme de esa pesada mochila. Fue como si mirara el mundo a través de otros lentes, ¡o incluso sin ellos! Al mismo tiempo comencé a buscar, conscientemente, inspiración en el mundo que me rodeaba más que en los artistas que admiraba. Hubo un cambio enorme en la forma en que hacía mi arte y especialmente en la forma en que me percibía a mí misma. Eliminar la palabra “error” de mi diccionario fue una bomba expansiva para mi creatividad.
Recientemente realizó un cambio en su Substack, ofreciendo su práctica de estudio para suscriptores pagos y su contenido de viajes de forma gratuita. Parece una gran decisión y la has descrito muy bien aquí. Me preguntaba si tenía algo que agregar sobre el proceso creativo por el que pasó hasta llegar a esa decisión.
Cuando me inicié en substack, tenía la intención de escribir acerca de mi experiencia como artista viajera. Cómo organizaba mi trabajo, los artistas que conocía, las exposiciones que visitaba, los paisajes que me inspiraban, etc. Pero pronto me di cuenta que muchísimas personas que me leían y miraban mi serie de viaje en YouTube no eran artistas ni les interesaba el arte. Aún así formaban parte de mi comunidad y quería seguir entregándoles contenido sobre la vanlife.
Por otra parte, mi práctica creativa es abordable desde tantos ángulos que bien podría sostener una publicación semanal para aquellos que realmente se interesaran en ello y quisieran aprender y trabajar en su propia práctica creativa. Decidí hacerlo con una suscripción de pago pues lo abordo con la seriedad y dedicación que se merece cualquier trabajo.
Además, desde mi experiencia como emprendedora de negocios creativos, quiero ser un aporte relevante a todas aquellas personas que se está iniciando o ya llevan un tiempo intentando vivir de su arte con poco éxito.
¿Hay algo más que le gustaría asegurarse de que la gente sepa sobre usted, sus viajes o su arte?
Actualmente me encuentro escribiendo mi primer libro. Es curioso que sea el primero, considerando que escribo conscientemente desde los 12 ó 14 años. Espero tener el primer borrador en diciembre y poder publicarlo a mediados del próximo año. Es la versión revisada de mi diario de viaje que escribo a mano regularmente. Un viaje tanto territorial como creativo y espiritual. Creo que mi historia puede inspirar a alguien a luchar por sus sueños y vivir una vida mejor.
Visit Claudia on Substack, her website, and her Instagram.
Thank you Kathryn & Claudia for this interesting interview. I especially love your discussion about the lesson you learned from your art teacher about releasing the binary perspective of good/bad and right/wrong, and that it took about two years to completely own that concept. Looking at life with a wider lens is a powerful, yet soft way of living and it sounds like you have embraced that life completely. Thank you for sharing!
Thank you for this fascinating interview ... not only the artist, the conversation, but also the process. Your prolificness ... prolificity ... astound me. How many hours are there in your days? That aside, the questions abound ... was this interview by phone, email, zoom? ... are you bilingual? ... which came first ... the name (Wool)? ... the art (weaving)? ... how does she do her textile art in a van? What part of the world do you live in? There's more but I'm stopping as I'm already in awe.